In TLJ, the Knights of Ren were absent though and Ren seems like he’s straddling the fence between light and dark nowadays.
Are there normally only 2 Sith at a time? The prequels did seem to adhere to that rule…and it is kinda weird that a grand total of, what, 4 Sith (Darths Maul, Tyranus, Vader, & Sidious) mastermined the extinction of the ~10,000 strong Jedi Order?
Edit: D’Oh! Forgot the most important Sith, Darth Jar Jar. How could I forget, like Lucas said, “Jar Jar is the Key to All of This”
After he couldn’t take the kill shot, and after what he did in Snoke’s throne room, I’m thinking that Kylo Ren lost a lot of Dark Side cred.
…the throne room scene is another problem with the villains. How is the strongest fighter on the Dark Side supposed to be intimidating when we saw him get shown up badly in that same fight by the strongest fighter on the Light Side? She even saved him from getting choked out as I recall.
Good lord now I know why Rian Johnson is having to explain things. You couldn’t be more off with your assessment. Kylo Ren is well on his way to becoming a Sith.
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so he stabbed his own father in the chest with a lightsaber but had a moment of doubt before he was about to kill his mother and somehow he’s lost his Dark Side credibility? Darth Vader had several opportunities to kill his own son and he didn’t. And the throne room: He pulled a typical Sith and killed his own master. Does that ring a bell? -cough- Darth Sidious killed Darth Plagueis -cough- (referenced in episode 3) -cough- the dark side corrupts people to do things out of greed, hatred, jealousy, & lust for power. Both Darth Sidious and Kylo Ren have exhibited these tendencies. His Dark Side credibility is right on track.
As I recall, In A New Hope, Vader didn’t hesitate to try and take out Luke in the ending battle. The only reason he failed was because Han & Chewie had that change of heart and came to Luke’s rescue. In the later movies, Vader was supposed to recruit Luke and so he didn’t really try to off him again.
For all that Ren does do that seems Dark Side, the movies show him as still having a fair bit of conscience & self-doubt, things that contradict the blind ambition that embodies true practitioners of the Dark Side.
From a dramatic standpoint, I’m still not sure how the franchise can have us think of Kylo Ren as being really powerful as he was getting beaten badly by Snoke’s guards and had to get saved from them by Rey. Rey had no problem in beating the guards, kinda making the case that she’s way more powerful than Ren?
BTW, I thought the tale of Plagueis from the prequels was a case of an “unreliable narrator” as Palpatine was telling Anakin what he wanted to hear in order to manipulate him (dark side can bring back the dead), and the films never directly confirmed that tale otherwise?
We’re just going to have to agree to disagree because I see something totally different than you’re seeing and I think that seems to be the case for what has a lot of people divided. My own personal opinion is that people are getting the wrong impressions but that’s from my own interpretation of what I’m getting out of the story.
Seems odd to me. I mean, I’m no movie mogul, but shouldn’t Hollywood want to hire directors based on the content of their CVs, not the color of their skin?
I wonder, Has Disney considered that Original Trilogy characters could be revered in no small part because we don’t know their origin stories? Boba Fett is famously cool despite having done nothing.
…which reminds me, don’t the Prequels already count as a Boba Fett & Obi Wan origin story? I wouldn’t mind more Liam Neeson in Star Wars, but how much would we see; how long had Obi Wan been Qui-Gon’s padawan before the events of Episode One?
I don’t think it was supposed to be a comedy, Star Wars has always had a few chuckles in it but those guys were really comedic directors and literally were fish-out-of-water on the Solo movie.
Now if people laugh at the film when it was being serious … well that’s another problem altogether.
