alright, i didn’t read that part. just the toonami returns
[quote=“shadzar”]
if lucky it means things like Big O, that i recall got a second season in part because of backing from CN, and IGPX was also helped in some way by CN.
and Toonami is replacing Adult Swim? what is the point in that. there is already shows in those slots…Toonami should be another night, or lead-up into Adult Swim like when it was last 10-midnight.
as for “Tom goes to the mayor” all that is just trash and has no place on a CARTOON netowrk, like that Vermillion Pleasure Nights garbage had no place on the ANIME network, and wrasslin has no place on a SciFi network.[/quote]
Toonami is only replacing the anime block on Adult Swim. Also, Adult Swim has live action programming they created…
[quote=“Newshawk”]
That runs counter to everything I know about television programming. One of any network’s greatest expenses is the cost of programming. Very few networks actually get paid to run non-advertising programming.
Usually, the network buys the rights to air the programming outright. In almost all cases, those rights run for a specific period of time. That’s why, when a new syndicated show is a ratings flop in any one market, it gets shoved over to late night until the contract is up. When the network buys the rights to air the show, they then own all the advertising time.
Many syndicated shows are run on a barter basis. The network pays little or no money for the series and the advertising time is split between the program syndicator and the network. The network gets low cost or free programming and makes money on the advertising and the synducator makes money by selling the advertising time they keep.
Usually, the only time a network is paid for a program is when it is an infomercial or programming from a non-profit group. In the case of an infomercial, the network usually gets a PI, or per inquiry of a certain amount for every one that calls in response to the program (which is why the same program may have different phone numbers on different networks.) They also get a cut of the profit from any product sold through the program.
When you buy a block of time you get at least 28:30 of a half hour, if not the whole 30 minutes. You can run a show commercial-free or sell your own advertising, but the network’s only income is the sale of that 30 minute block. Therefore, unless the station exists to let people buy time to air what they want, this is usually the most expensive way to get a program on air. Also, unless it’s specified in the contract, the network can’t do any branding during that brokered time.
Perhaps it was Funimation talking about their linear channel, not programming on AS. If you’re trying to get a new network on a cable or satellite system, often you’ll offer to pay for the space until you get enough ratings to warrant the system paying you for your channel. As before, the payer has control of the advertising slots in that time.[/quote]
I believe the problem occurred when CN execs got greedy and started thinking that they were the best outlet for Anime at the time. Thinking why should they have to pay for something they don’t get hardly if any money from. It was backa**wards really compared to normal standards but a few companies like Bandai and Geneon from how may shows they both got on seemed to play ball to get some shows out there. You have to remember for most of early and mid 2000’s there really was not much other choice then CN to get Anime on that was on more cable providers at the time. G4 had Anime Unleashed for like around 4 years but then again it was placed all over the place to it finally just stopped. That was the other place ADV had stuff G4. I think once the fad fans got tired of Anime around 2005 it marked a 2 year death spiral that some companies either died off or limped around for a few more years then just walked off into the sunset. Of course one resurrected and found a new life in a new shiny form. It probably changed from show to show I believe some shows they felt would get them good ratings they paid for and others they made the companies pay to get them on. I think that may explain the reasoning of how some shows repeated for as long as they have and why some only ran once or twice. Though from the fact we did not end up with a whole mess of fanservice shows I’m thinking AS had final say in if they’d take something. I do however believe if I could remember the source of that there was a good reason why I believed it did and may still happen. I do believe Funimation would pay to get their shows on a Network just as much as I believe all the rumors I was hearing about why Funimation suddenly got VOD on Comcast right before the TAN VOD was taken down.
Oh yeah Super Milk Chan was the other ADV one. They did show a episode of NGE ,Martian Successor Nadesico , and I think Dai-guard during Toonami’s Giant Robot Week.
He would probably be the reason Toonami is coming back in any form. I know I remember reading most of the staff was really disappointed CN canceled it and were just placed all over CN. I’m guessing a few must have ended up on the FusionFall team as Toonami references and characters started to appear every so often.
and that worked so well for them, they were having problems wondering why their live-action crap wasn’t getting viewers. might be because the age range had BETTER live action programming.
either way, the anime block it appear is the entire adult swim saturday night line-up…which seems, the name of the block changing to Toonami from what slow posted, and the shows being changed a bit.
Bleach, GiTS, and FMA:B, all still there but no more FLCL, Cowboy Bebop, Duradura, etc. and Steve Blum as TOM will be hosting it again. doesn’t really seem like Toonami is back so much as Adult Swim isn’t going to be saturday night anymore…unless this is happening on friday nights or something. i always hate programming blocks starting at midnight, cause its still the same day as 11pm because i haven’t gone to bed yet!
PP is right. I guess we all forget about the rumors and heresays about Bandai paying/givinthat for free to get some of their shows on CN. Hell, I’ll do you’ze all a proper and direct you to a certain podcast featuring a one time Bandai employee.
Here ya go:
Our topic of conversation is on the 16:40 mark.
Enjoy…
As for the lineup, not too excited since it’s pretty much old stuff I already own and/or stuff I dropped after season 2/3. The only thing that piques is Deadman, but do I really wanna sit through the rest, week after week, just for that one?
As for Casshern, kinda shocked actually since, yes I know there’s robot on robot action, but for the most part, it’s a moody, angsty kinda show. The fact that it takes place in a dreary, stark wasteland with few instances of vibrant color might also turn viewers off.
Of course, I could be proven wrong and the audience will eat it up, like me.
In the end, I’ll sit through the whole block the first day to see all the new nick-nacks and catch Deadman’s dub (I assume it’ll have one.)
[quote=“tonka”]
PP is right. I guess we all forget about the rumors and heresays about Bandai paying/givinthat for free to get some of their shows on CN. Hell, I’ll do you’ze all a proper and direct you to a certain podcast featuring a one time Bandai employee.
Here ya go:
Our topic of conversation is on the 16:40 mark.
Enjoy…[/quote]
What I heard is that Bandai bartered some series to Cartoon Network/Adult Swim and others. I never heard Jerry Chu say that Bandai paid to have the series aired. I covered that in my previous post:
Bandai got something of value-advertising availabilities they could use for their own advertising. Even if they paid, however, the money would have come from the marketing budget.
There was also the more recent post over at Topless Robot when Bandai Entertainment announced it was closing up shop here.
Believe it or not it’s up to you but I’m 99.9% sure it happened. Now that I think about it I’m almost certain it was a former Geneon employee who said once Bandai paid them for one show we all had to pay.
[quote=“psychopuppet”]There was also the more recent post over at Topless Robot when Bandai Entertainment announced it was closing up shop here.
Believe it or not it’s up to you but I’m 99.9% sure it happened. Now that I think about it I’m almost certain it was a former Geneon employee who said once Bandai paid them for one show we all had to pay.[/quote]
OK. That was the missing piece of the puzzle for me. Now I understand, and I’ll agree with you. In their haste to promote a tired, out of date series, Bandai set the bar for all that followed. If I’d had know that at first, I would have just written it off to a Japanese corporation attempting to play by Japanese rules in an American system. You can’t get there from here.
[size=20]Adult Swim’s Toonami Block Returns Tonight[/size]
posted on 2012-05-26 15:30 EDT
Casshern Sins, Deadman Wonderland anime to premiere during 6-hour programming block
Adult Swim, the cable and satellite network that is paired with Cartoon Network, will premiere the return of the Toonami programming block tonight at midnight. The full schedule for the block is as follows (all times Eastern):
12:00 a.m. - Bleach
12:30 a.m. - Deadman Wonderland
1:00 a.m. - Casshern Sins
1:30 a.m. - Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
2:00 a.m. - Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex 2nd GIG
2:30 a.m. - Cowboy Bebop
The schedule then repeats from 3:00 a.m. to 6:00 a.m.
The block will mark the U.S. broadcast premiere of Deadman Wonderland and Casshern Sins. Jason DeMarco, former Toonami producer and recently promoted vice president of strategic marketing and promotions for Cartoon Network and Adult Swim, confirmed this schedule on Monday.
Adult Swim had announced last week that it would bring back its Toonami programming block starting on Saturday, May 26.
They could have just announced new shows for Adult Swim. This whole Toonami thing is cool and all but what people wanted was a weekday return. Not some graveyard slot on Saturdays.
I disagree partly. Most of the people who watched Toonami are now 12 years older. They now have jobs and, for the most part, cannot watch during the weekday. (Please note I said ‘for the most part’)
Late Saturday evening would seem to be an ideal time for this demographic. They’d be home from a late Saturday night of partying and could settle in to watch Toonami, which is geared toward their older sensibilities.
I believe that they are trying to recapture their original Toonami audience, and not looking for a new generation.
So one night of new Toonami is down for me, let’s see
Deadman Wonderland: I liked the dub a lot more than I thought I would, Cinkenberg is amazing, Greg gave a solid performance, and Luci, well she played whatever that was well. The plot seems very intriging, I say this is the show that is better.
Cashern Sins: Which means this isn’t as good, very confusing start, the whole point of the episode seemed negated at the end, while I saw some flashes of brillance, I do not know if I will have the patience for it. Animation and art style are great though, so I have something to look forward to.
I appreciated the review of I am Alive, I may give the game a shot, I do not know.
I will admit, I wish they did a bit more with the fact that Toonami had returned.
I’ll see it next week.
Yes, It makes sense to find as much of your original pre-hiatus audience as possible in order to establish a base viewer group. This new Toonami is running on something less than a shoe string, so that has to be the top priority.
Once they have a better footing, then maybe they can get permission to go into “evangelical” mode and air an after school block for the next generation.
Mark Gosdin
Deadman Wonderland was good though hated the leads voice actor . Not sure what it is but I’ve not cared for many if any of his younger character voices . I can stand it to keep watching for Toonami’s sake . Did not stay up pass that though . Still on medication that makes me want to sleep a lot. By next week should be done with it. Though while I enjoyed Casshern Sins when I watched last yearI found it rather depressing . So don’t really care to watch it again at this time.
Caught the entire second run of the Toonami block (sometimes my job “sigh”). I enjoyed Deadman Wonderland and Cashern Sins wasn’t too bad, but I kinda wish Bleach wasn’t such a poor episode to start out the new Toonami with.
Also "YAY TOM’S BACK 
!!!
[quote=“eurekasevenfan”]Caught the entire second run of the Toonami block (sometimes my job “sigh”). I enjoyed Deadman Wonderland and Cashern Sins wasn’t too bad, but I kinda wish Bleach wasn’t such a poor episode to start out the new Toonami with.
Also "YAY TOM’S BACK !!![/quote]
It is nice to see CN paying attention to their anime lineup. It is interesting to see what shows they did and did not continue. GITS and CB have been rerun many times but these were kept rather than their newer shows including one on its first rerun. Bleach is a premiere so its return is no surprise.
And I do agree: Yay T.O.M.!!!
So they really started this on Memorial Day weekend, when people frequently go out of town, myself included. K. Then again, I try to have a life so I go out on Saturdays and if I catch the second run when I get home, I catch it, if I don’t, I don’t. I was watching FMA, though, to try to see some of the ones I missed the last run.
Well, I caught some of it and they’re still running FMA late… not sure how I missed that in the thread. Casshem Sins seems pretty dark; I didn’t see too much of Deadman Wonderland.
It’s dark and depressing, but it’s a nice series. Casshern, he deals with a lot of emotion in the series.
I finished watching this week’s Toonami block. I enjoyed T.O.M. and the new Toonami shows. I miss InuYasha.
I now understand why the block is broadcast twice as so many folks work and play the “swing shift” and thus can only pick up on the second showing. Not everyone has a recorder. I didn’t have one myself until two years ago.