The Lord of the Rings / The Hobbit

See Gandalf has other stuff to do. He is one of 5 that are there to protect against Suarons return, so he really has “bothered enough with [those dwarves]”.

He likes to meddle because he is bored, but after a while he gets bored again and wanders off. (actually Thorin ticks him off with how they do things, not really what they say but just so stupid for wandering dwarves to know nothing of how to take care of themselves in foreign lands.)

All books and movies have filler, but at least the book filler was taking you somewhere. To slow you down and change gears, but the movie just keeps ramping it up and the filler is jsut LotR all ove again and worse filler material than the book had! all for the sake of padding the minutes to make another trilogy.

The book could be made very short if you just want the clifnotes version.

!3 dwarves and a wizard show up at Bag End and con the Hobbit living there, Bilbo Baggins to go with them ins search of a great fortune. After leving his home Bilbo and the rest areambushes by hungry trolls, which they defeat by letting the sun turn them to stone. Then they get in trouble again by being captured by goblins when they open the wall to a cave and drag them into their mountain dwelling. Escaping the goblins by killing their king, some beasts try to catch them for food, and the goblins catch up! Now Bilbo and the dwarves climb trees and are rescued by giant talking birds that fly them a great way closer to their goal. Once in the forest leading to the mountain with treasure they, you guessed it, are captured again by spiders! Giant spiders that wish to eat them. Everything wants to eat or kill these dwarves. Bilbo saves the dwarves only for them to be captured by elves this time! Free again they steal barrels from the elves and ride them down the river to the town on the lake called Laketown. There they meet a man named Bard, who have no interested in music or telling tales, and they make their way to the mountain, where Bilbo must steal something carefully, but inside the dragon sleeps guarding the treasure only long enough to smell Bilbo and take flight to destroy the town below. Bard has a special arrow and shoots the dragon in a special spot and down it plummets to its death. Now the dwarves free to take the gold find that other people ant it as the goblins have caught up, so have the elves, and now the men want some of the treasure as well. More dwarves finally show up to help the original 13 making 5 armies in all, when at that moment the Eagles come to help. Lot of death ensues, many dwarves die. Gandalf puts a stop to it all, and Bilbo returns home with a small amount less than his share but more than he would ever need of the treasure, and writes a book about his journey called “There and Back Again: A Hobbit’s Holiday”

Tat is all the important parts to the story. doesn’t even need the One Ring, just a plot outline! but it has everything important that the story needs. LotR needs the ring and it isn’t until reading it that you find out what is so special about it.

Gandalf doesn’t have time for many people because he is bogged down with old text that prevents him from doing things and things that really don’t fit like Beorn, and Tom Bombadil (who hasnt even been in ANY of the movies yet!).

We meet only a few people that we really care about later from the Hobbit: Gloim (Gimli’s father), Bilbo, Gandalf, Elron, and sure there are a lot more names in the book to give people and places interest and be fleshed out, but really none of that matters much to the story and is still filler. But it is better filler than the crap in Jackson’s movies. The orcs chasing them all the time? In the above they had no time to rest already it didn’t even matter that they had until autumn to get the treasure found by! Yet here they go throwing it in to make it just another roller coaster in both movies. and after riding a roller coast for 4 hours. ANYONE would throw up! :sick:

[quote=“shadzar”]
If you watch the Rankin/Bass versino of two movies LotR, you will see it needs 3. It was an epic journey so needed more space to tell it and get you drawn into the world. It worked because her we are talking about it, not Sherlock Holmes, Jules Verne, etc.[/quote]

For the record, Rankin Bass only did one Lord of the Rings movie, though it spanned a bit of the second and most of the third novel. The first animated LOTR movie was done by Ralph Bakshi for Warner Brothers. There was a sequel planned but it was never made, despite the first being successful at the box office. It spanned the first novel and about half of the second. Rankin Bass did do an animated Hobbit movie though.

For once I actually agree with you on something. The Hobbit movies have way to much filler, and much of it pointless.

Nobody remembers Bakshi and nobody wants to… that is the problem, how he did the first and second book as a half-@** movie and Rankin had to come in and finish the second book and meld it with the third and LotR looks out of place in the 3. Had Rankin been allowed to do all 4 LotR books even if just as one movie, it would have been much better.as there could at least have been continuity.

Bakshi is the reason the Rankin Return of the King is so Bad, because they had trash to work with to go on He is also the reason it took 30 years before anyone else was allowed to try, and after Jackson’s Hobbit, I suspect NOBODY will ever be allowed to use Tolkien s material again in video format until the Tolkien Estate no longer exists.

So glad I don’t have to waste money on any of these since the original Hobbit gives the story properly form Bilbo’s point of view as if it was the book he wrote and as seen in Journey and Return of the kings in Jackson’s version. If only those other people like that woman weren’t involved trying to add character for “modern” times to be more politically correct, so we don’t offend the elves and dwarves and orcs and urki-hai out there in the world today… :whistle:

[size=22]The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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PETER Jackson has shared an emotional tribute to Oscar-winning Australian cinematographer Andrew Lesnie on his Facebook page.

Cinematographer Andrew Lesnie has died from a heart attack

Finally got around to watching The Battle of the Five Armies yesterday.

All in all, not too bad, and taken as a whole, the three movies together definitely paint the Hobbit picture rather well, even with all the extra non-Hobbit material thrown in.

While I know the Hobbit was written more as a children’s story, it does make me a bit sad that the Jackson Hobbit movies were nowhere near as epic as his LotR movies.

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