COMPLAINT! screwing over people without option for SVOD


#1

pulled from the recent announcement thread for discusion and to give my thoughts on this as well…

free TAN on demand is now nickJr and DisneyJr equivalent?

every provider doesn’t offer premium on demand, and not everyone enjoys watching crap on a computer.

TL;DR

:angry:

(edit title if needs be for less hostile words)


#2

The Coffee God wrote:

[quote]shadzar wrote:

[quote]
like “super happy funtime”, or like TAN will no longer be in “cutting edge on demand”, or what?[/quote]

With the way it’s written, I’d say TV 14 TAN will still be in the Cutting Edge section, and TV MA TAN will be in a seperate section called Outrageous.[/quote]

like Time Warner doesnt have enough trouble keeping things in one place, lets give them something else to misplace and forget to put on ANY channel like SyFy and others that the move around so often they forget to add it to its new location…


#3

Be glad you still even have TAN VOD in any form. This is probably the result of one of the cable companies getting some complaints from some parents that can’t keep track of their kids or be bothered to learn to use the parent blocks or some religious nut cases that think anime is the devil’s cartoons. It’s happened before and we ended up with edited Gantz and Elfen Lied. Unfortunately this does however mean most of TAN’s newer series won’t be showing up for Free VOD because a lot of it is TV/MA.

Honestly only thing I can say is live with it or tell your cable company they need to get TAN SVOD.


#4

This part I found funny.
shadzar wrote:

:huh:
But watching “crap” on a big TV is better?
“Crap” is “crap” regardless of how you’re watching it: 2D, 3D, or live-action.


#5

tonka wrote:

[quote]This part I found funny.
shadzar wrote:

:huh:
But watching “crap” on a big TV is better?
“Crap” is “crap” regardless of how you’re watching it: 2D, 3D, or live-action.[/quote]

Crap, in this case, refers to the method of delivery, not to the content. Perhaps you might understand better if shadzar had written “…and not everyone enjoys watching a crappy video stream on a computer…” I watched the three available Allison & Lillia episodes online using my Sharp 32" LCD as a monitor. The judder was obvious, if not quite raising to the level of objectionable. I never saw a judder issue with 6:19 content on DirecTV Cinema on demand content and only saw it on 4:3 content until DirecTV adjusted the encoding method.

I also object being forced to watch ANOD in one location (unless I take the extra steps of connecting my notebook to the Sharp 32" and a hardwired Ethernet connection). With DirecTV, I can watch my ANOD content on any TV, no matter where it was recorded, thanks to DirecTV’s Whole Home DVR Service.

As for the rest of it, I’ll make my opinion known after I return home from work tonight. There’s a lot that’s NOT being said, and I intend to say it.


#6

I also want to echo Pup’s statement about being glad you have TAN at all, Funimation made a big move into the VOD service and, although I have no facts or figures, I’d imagine that put a huge dent into TAN’s pocket.

Also, please keep in mind that of the 28 Cable Providers that carry TAN, only five have the FREE VOD service, the rest have subscription VOD. So, all of you complaining about losing your FREE VOD are probably fighting a losing battle.


#7

Honestly, I’m more upset that DirecTV doesn’t have an option for subscription VOD content of any kind. Anime Network is not the only VOD only channel, and there are others I would like the option of viewing. I think I will start regularly emailing them on the subject. I do subscribe to TAN online, but like others I’m not a big fan of viewing content online either.

Honestly, I’ve been suprised that Anime Network has been getting away airing some of the stuff it has for this long without an issue like this arrising.


#8

Slowhand wrote:

[quote]I also want to echo Pup’s statement about being glad you have TAN at all, Funimation made a big move into the VOD service and, although I have no facts or figures, I’d imagine that put a huge dent into TAN’s pocket.

Also, please keep in mind that of the 28 Cable Providers that carry TAN, only five have the FREE VOD service, the rest have subscription VOD. So, all of you complaining about losing your FREE VOD are probably fighting a losing battle.[/quote]

TWC has ONLY FREE vod, with no option for SVOD.

so what you are saying is, that TAN will be split up on two different channels for TWC.

both will be free as OUT and CEOD are, but probably because some parents cant figure out how TV works after it has been in homes for over 60 years, then the viewers have to track down this other channel for adult-er programs, though they are all free.

also in order to report errors in programming it becoems a greater mess to figure out and track down what is and isnt showing on TAN because now you have 2 lists you have to keep track of I TWC updates, and we all know the kind of problems TWC has updating VOD, with TAN on just ONE channel, let alone 2.

what the hell ever happened to the v-chip that takes program ratings into account and being able to block certain ratings from being viewed. my TWC box will block channels and ratings, INCLUDING on-demand, so why in the hell would you need to move the programs since you can just block them?

@Crap…yes many shows on TAN and anime in general are crap (see Clannad, Crayong Shin Chan, Milk Chan, etc…), but what i meant was something made for TV viewing and converted to digital and losing the frames or speeding past them, and bandwidth issues or something causing delays in watching anything and having to replay, or even wrong encoding that makes the program on the computer less that watchable.

i just dont see a reason to split the free on demand and JUST for TWC.

i dont know what Navarre of FUNi are doing, but there has been nothing said about it coming on TWC, so i doubt that has anything to do with what is happening with TAN, except TWC is trying to ruin itself from the ABC/Disney angel trying to prevent those stations from being on, the law be damned as they are concerned, to anything else.

just dont split the free on demand on TWC, and leave it ALL on one channel, and give cable subscribers a reason to complain to TWC.

MOST people wont even know about this thing in october as most TAN viewers probably dont come here, so there had better be some short few minutes video on TAN in CEOD, that explains to people to look for other shows on Outrageous…check local listing for channel number, blahblahblah standard diclaimers…so that others CAN find it.

i will be watching on anime news network website for developments on this to see if anything is reported, at the very least to let anime wwatching and TAN TV viewers to get the heads up about this change…

[size=5]EDIT:[/size] Outrageous on demand is pay per view… 8 hours blocks of viewing for around (or under) $10 PER SHOW. NOT per series, but PER EPISODE… $10 per episode? and you only get if for 8 hours…the 8 hours FOLLOWING the time you order it…

:blink:

[size=5]WTF?![/size]

who would pay half the cost to by a DVD with 4 episodes, that you own and can watch until the end of time, for just a single episode to watch for a contiguous 8 hours and then have to pay again if you want to watch it later?

OUTRAGEOUS IS RIGHT!


#9

shadzar wrote:

[quote][size=5]EDIT:[/size] Outrageous on demand is pay per view… 8 hours blocks of viewing for around (or under) $10 PER SHOW. NOT per series, but PER EPISODE… $10 per episode? and you only get if for 8 hours…the 8 hours FOLLOWING the time you order it…

:blink:

[size=5]WTF?![/size]

who would pay half the cost to by a DVD with 4 episodes, that you own and can watch until the end of time, for just a single episode to watch for a contiguous 8 hours and then have to pay again if you want to watch it later?

OUTRAGEOUS IS RIGHT![/quote]

The pricing on titles through Outrageous will be 3.95 for 4-5 episodes – about a dollar per episode, which is consistent with other TAN retail pricing like iTunes.


#10

Inphy wrote:

i bought and watched ADV titles as my mainstay for many years only slightly looking at other anime because the quality of ADV. pay-per-view died with DVD, and it would be cheaper to get Netflix to watch a series than this method. pay-per-view is an outdated model, so how in the world is it coming back at all?

pay-per-view only exists today for sports and porn.

there are WAY too many problems with TWC to trust them with any sort of pay-per-view as they will mes up the delivery and you will be out of money and the programming with no reimbursement.

whoever decided on this test model made a huge mistake, because TWC customers are sick and tired of getting screwed over by TWC ever since the attempt at metered internet billing.

with how niche TAN is within TWC, i see this endeavor costing TWC and TAN more than will be made on pay-per-view, especially since you are taking something that was free, and unlimited times and availability to watch within its schedule of availability and closing it in so tight.

wrong company to trust this with since TWC cant deliver TAN FREE episodes well or correctly (let alone Time Warner channels own programming or any other programming for that matter).

this just will NOT end well.

i am sure that whoever had this idea does NOT have TWC as a provider…

the current ADV businesses will lose money as these programs will not be viewed as they were when free, and that means their advertisement value is lost, which might cost revenue and sales of those titles on the pay-per-view channel.

i know several people that would have never bought Shingu if they hadnt of seen it on TAN first.


#11

shadzar wrote:

[quote]Inphy wrote:

i bought and watched ADV titles as my mainstay for many years only slightly looking at other anime because the quality of ADV. pay-per-view died with DVD, and it would be cheaper to get Netflix to watch a series than this method. pay-per-view is an outdated model, so how in the world is it coming back at all?

pay-per-view only exists today for sports and porn.

there are WAY too many problems with TWC to trust them with any sort of pay-per-view as they will mes up the delivery and you will be out of money and the programming with no reimbursement.

whoever decided on this test model made a huge mistake, because TWC customers are sick and tired of getting screwed over by TWC ever since the attempt at metered internet billing.

with how niche TAN is within TWC, i see this endeavor costing TWC and TAN more than will be made on pay-per-view, especially since you are taking something that was free, and unlimited times and availability to watch within its schedule of availability and closing it in so tight.

wrong company to trust this with since TWC cant deliver TAN FREE episodes well or correctly (let alone Time Warner channels own programming or any other programming for that matter).

this just will NOT end well.

i am sure that whoever had this idea does NOT have TWC as a provider…

the current ADV businesses will lose money as these programs will not be viewed as they were when free, and that means their advertisement value is lost, which might cost revenue and sales of those titles on the pay-per-view channel.

i know several people that would have never bought Shingu if they hadnt of seen it on TAN first.[/quote]

I was simply giving you information in which you were previously incorrect about.

I am not bashing your opinions and concerns. :slight_smile:


#12

The pricing that Inphy gave is correct.

Furthermore, AN anime will also be available in the International package, as well as on Movies onDemand.


#13

Rai wrote:

[quote]The pricing that Inphy gave is correct.

Furthermore, AN anime will also be available in the International package, as well as on Movies onDemand.[/quote]

While that’s all well and good for Time Warner customers, what about us DirecTV customers? We don’t have an “Outrageous” section, or even a “Cutting Edge” section. We just have Anime Network On Demand, on channel 1889. What provisions are being made for those of us who subscribe to the second largest provider in America of television service to the home?


#14

Anime Network was offered as part of Movies on Demand through DirecTV for years before they launched their VOD service. They use to offer blocks of programming for about $4-$5 a block (usually 2-3 hours). I hope they do something similar again.


#15

dragonrider_cody wrote:

Cody, how long ago was that? I’ve been with DirecTV for over 7 years and don’t remember any movies on demand service predating DirecTV OnDemand. Was this a PPV channel?


#16

Newshawk wrote:

[quote]dragonrider_cody wrote:

Cody, how long ago was that? I’ve been with DirecTV for over 7 years and don’t remember any movies on demand service predating DirecTV OnDemand. Was this a PPV channel?[/quote]

Yeah, it was a pay per view channel. I remember renting it once or twice when I originally had DirecTV several years ago. When I switched back to DTV from Comcast, they had just started their VOD service (which is why switched.)


#17

So, let me get this straight. Because I have TWC, a percentage of TAN programming that previously was free, will now cost money to view, because of some decision being made by whom… TWC?

…the content that becomes pay will be selected based on it’s rating being more adult than TV-14?

…and this content that I have to pay for will vary from week to week depending on what series are being offered at a given time?

…so if I should choose to pay to watch, I then have to sit down and dedicate the number of hours I get per payment to watching everything that’s available, or I’ll have to pay again?

… and is TAN still restricted to the same hours of content limit then despite being now on two channels and half pay? That would seem to be the most asinine move of all.

I just want to know who I should be complaining about this with, which appears right now to be somewhere in the anal-retentive corporate giant TWC headquarters, where the number of people that will care can be measured in a fraction.

The irony here is that at least one of the shows TAN chose to drop just before their end because of the September content issues could still be run for free.

By the way, Shingu is a bad example, it’s an RSI title, not ADV, Sentai or S23.


#18

rebecca1/2 wrote:

No, this is solely the decision of the Anime Network’s parent company, Valkyrie Media Partners.

rebecca1/2 also wrote:

[quote]…the content that becomes pay will be selected based on it’s rating being more adult than TV-14?

…and this content that I have to pay for will vary from week to week depending on what series are being offered at a given time?

…so if I should choose to pay to watch, I then have to sit down and dedicate the number of hours I get per payment to watching everything that’s available, or I’ll have to pay again?[/quote]

All this is being imposed on TWC by Valkyrie Media Partners. I’m sure TWC sees the PPV option as a viable, if punitive workaround.

rebecca1/2 also wrote:

TAN is not “restricted” to the same hours by TWC. If TWC accepted Valkyrie’s coercive “offer” (which is implied in their move) to switch to subscription VOD then not only would they have all 30 hours in the same place, they could even increase to 45 hours.

rebecca1/2 also wrote:

As much as I despise cable companies, I have to say that I do not feel that TWC is the culprit here. I lay the blame at the feet of Valkyrie Media Partners.

rebecca1/2 also wrote:

I don’t think there were any “content issues” with Clannad After Story, Allison & Lillia or the Angel Beats! OVA. I think this was either a case of an oversight that Valkyrie Media Partners was unable or unwilling to correct or a deliberate move to begin to “put the screws” to the free VOD providers.

rebecca1/2 finally wrote:

But if Shingu didn’t have a successful run on TAN, would we have had Alice Academy or the two Aria series on TAN?


#19

Not the point, the point is since TAN is a part of Sentai/S23 et. al. it might be better to say I bought one of their shows because I watched it on TAN. Which for me is true in several instances.

So why is this only being done to TWC? I for one will not pay the prices I see for most things on the Outrageous channel to watch these shows per episode, when I can buy the DVDs on sale for less $ per episode.

And the really big question for me is - why in the hell is this a complete surprise I’m finding out the end of September/beginning of October, buried in the general VOD thread until a member here made a seperate thread about it? No one at TAN could bother to make an announcement, to say “sorry TWC users but our parent company has decided you can all go pound sand on our TV-MA shows” ? That, for me, is the most asinine at all from a service that is now expecting me to pay for the content they previously offered for free.


#20

rebecca1/2 wrote:

[quote]Not the point, the point is since TAN is a part of Sentai/S23 et. al. it might be better to say I bought one of their shows because I watched it on TAN. Which for me is true in several instances.

So why is this only being done to TWC? I for one will not pay the prices I see for most things on the Outrageous channel to watch these shows per episode, when I can buy the DVDs on sale for less $ per episode.

And the really big question for me is - why in the hell is this a complete surprise I’m finding out the end of September/beginning of October, buried in the general VOD thread until a member here made a seperate thread about it? No one at TAN could bother to make an announcement, to say “sorry TWC users but our parent company has decided you can all go pound sand on our TV-MA shows” ? That, for me, is the most asinine at all from a service that is now expecting me to pay for the content they previously offered for free.[/quote]

It’s not only being done to TWC, it’s being done to all the FREE VOD providers (Bright House, Buckeye, DirecTV, TWC and Volcano, I believe that’s all of them). It just so happened that TWC was used as the example.